I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray.

And this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed recap podcast about reality dating

shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every

juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about when to zip it and when to open up.

And if you're talking to Kathy, you zip it. If you're talking to Gary, you open up.

It's simple as that. Simple math. Joining us today to talk about The Golden Bachelor

is BFF, longtime BFF of the pod, actress Alison Williams, who is also the executive producer and

star of the gripping new podcast, erased The Murder of Elma Sands, which reimagines America's

very first murder trial in modern language based on court records. Alison, we're so happy to have

you back. I'm so intrigued. Like overjoyed to be here to talk about this show, the greatest

product of this franchise in ever forever. I know in the last time I was guest co-hosting,

was 2020. That was the last time I saw it on my screen. A great year. We were talking about the

concept of a golden bachelor, even then. Remember? I know. Well, we've been thinking about it for a

long time. I think really the reason it works is because we had so many years with the other

versions of the show. Without it, we might not appreciate it so much. But boy, at my love,

it's true. Every single second, the minute it's over, I'm sad. And it's been a long time,

so I felt that way about an episode. Same. An hour just isn't enough. It's not enough.

This episode, I love that. I think that they are leaving us wanting more instead of leaving me

like an hour in, looking at my watch, being like, there's a whole other hour. So much.

Cat. Yeah. Too much cat. But not enough. Nancy. Oh my god. Not enough. Any of them.

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