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There was a lot of confusion, I think, here between Ashley and myself on Mel.

It, you know, you just have a picture of him.

Like, that guy is very handsome.

And he was kind, very kind to the contestants.

But I don't quite understand how you could feel anything for him because watching it.

And this isn't, I don't don't want you are speaking for me oh I don't want this to sound like a bashing of Mel because I don't know

Mel and that's part of the reason we've said this many times before that's part of the reason why

I'm so confused on how anybody fell for him because we don't know him and I just watched him on my TVs for three months. And any conversation

we had, it did feel like you were the, like you or some of the other ladies were the ones talking

and he wasn't really like giving anything to it. Was that just the unfortunate nature of how he came across on our TVs or looking back

was he giving more like was he actually giving anything to these conversations I guess what

I'm saying all in is it felt like it was flat and as a result I don't know how anybody got

to know him enough to feel anything for him.

That's very fair after watching the episodes back.

I will say that I personally was giving Mel grace because he had to manage a whole bunch of women.

And I didn't expect him to engage with me early on.

What was, and so I just said that's just part of what's happening.

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