The Godzilla Effect

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.7 • 6.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2022

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Shadi Hamid returns to the Remnant to discuss America’s role in maintaining a safe global order. For years, many on the far left and isolationist right alike have argued that the United States should withdraw from the world stage and take a self-limiting approach to foreign policy. But Shadi believes Russia’s aggression has proved that Western power is essential. Will we soon see renewed support for Pax Americana? Should a no-fly zone be imposed over Ukraine? And how many bingo card items can Jonah insert into such an inappropriate conversation? Show Notes: - Shadi’s page at The Atlantic - Wisdom of Crowds - Shadi: “There Are Many Things Worse Than American Power” - Jeane Kirkpatrick: “Dictatorships and Double Standards” - Jonah on the idea of a new Cold War - Lindsey Graham calls for Putin’s assassination - Is the Muslim world ignoring the plight of the Uyghurs? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	when.
0:14.8	Can I please
0:17.2	have your attention!
0:21.3	Greetings to your listeners. This is John A. Colbert, host of the Remnant Podcast, brought
0:31.4	to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch media. Thank you for tuning in. Do all the things with
0:37.1	the reviews and the watchmacallots and the whatever's. That would be great.
0:42.2	Very excited about today's guest. I believe it's second time on the Remnant. And you
0:49.1	know, people say that with the breakdown and polarization of this world that, you know,
0:54.0	people can't reach across the aisle, but I am heroically having someone from Brookings,
0:59.3	my existential foe as an AEI guy, on this podcast. And I'm referring to Shadi Hamid. He's
1:07.2	a contributor at the Atlantic, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and assistant
1:12.0	research professor of Islamic studies at Fuller Seminary. He's written a bunch of books.
1:17.0	He's also the co-founder and host of The Wisdom of Crowds, which is an excellent podcast, newsletter,
1:23.0	and debate platform. Shadi, thanks so much for coming back.
1:25.9	Hi, Jonah. Thanks for having me.
1:27.7	You know, if the old rules of Sicilian think tank vendetta applied, I would have to kill you.
1:34.6	But we are here in a more elevated.
1:37.1	Well, I'm actually talking from Brookings right now. So I'm literally there in the
1:40.6	enemy headquarters.
1:42.0	My God. You know, if only G Gordon Liddy had listened to Nixon and burnt Brookings to
1:46.6	the ground, the world would be like, I kid, I kid.
1:53.2	So I wanted to have you on in part because these are interesting times. And it's like it's
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