This is a special live taping of the reason interview with Nicholas.

My guest today are two fierce defenders of free speech and open expression, Jacob Mission

Gama and Jeff Kasef, who are the co-authors of the new book, The Future of Free Speech.

Jacob is the founder of the Future of Free Speech, a research institution attached to Vanderbilt University,

where he's also a research professor.

He's the author also of the definitive book on the subject, Free Speech, A History from Socrates to Social Media.

Jacob, thanks for coming out.

Thanks for having me, Nick.

Okay.

And Jeff Kassaf is a former journalist, maybe a future journalist, if your academic career

doesn't work out, a former journalist who's a senior legal fellow at the future of free speech

and the author of a trilogy of mind-blowing books.

And I've interviewed him for each one of those,

the 26 words that invented the Internet, which is an explanation and defense of Section 230,

then the United States of Anonymous, which is a defense of anonymous speech,

and then his most recent one before this book and probably your

most provocative liar in a crowded theater, which is a defense of false speech.

So you are, you're taking it easy when you're just talking about the future of free speech,

right?

Yeah, yeah, this was a easy one.

Okay, so this book explores what you guys call the global free speech recession,

which is a decades-long decline in Internet freedom, free expression, civil and political

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