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🗓️ 30 March 2025
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Malcolm and Simone Collins hope to have 10 children to help avoid what they see as a pending demographic collapse. They tell Lucy Hockings that as pronatalists they want to promote the dangers of falling fertility rates and encourage other people to have more children.
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0:00.0 | Hello, this is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. |
0:05.4 | I'm Valerie Sanderson with your weekly bonus from The Global Story, |
0:08.7 | which brings you a single story with depth and insight from the BBC's best journalists. |
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0:18.0 | and be sure to subscribe so you don't miss a single episode. |
0:22.3 | Here's my colleague, Lucy Hawkins. |
0:28.6 | Today we're bringing you a conversation I have with a family called The Collinsers, |
0:32.4 | who joined me from their farmhouse in Pennsylvania. |
0:35.3 | By any measure, they already have a large family. We are a family of six |
0:40.7 | with a five-year-old, a three-year-old, a two-year-old, and an almost one-year-old, and another baby on the way. |
0:46.7 | But they want many more. That's because the Collinsers have a unique approach to family. |
0:51.7 | They're pro-natalists. I would love to have as many children as I can physically have. |
0:56.1 | So basically until my uterus is removed in a C-section that goes a little wrong. |
1:02.6 | For them, it's a solution for what they see as a demographic collapse facing countries like the US. |
1:09.3 | And whereas many people will see their approach as extreme, |
1:12.4 | there's increasing evidence that their ideas have traction |
1:15.4 | at the heart of the Trump administration. |
1:17.5 | We want more babies to be born in America. |
1:20.6 | We want more babies. We need them. We need them. |
1:23.8 | They say their aims are a pragmatic solution to a pending catastrophe, but is there a darker |
1:29.5 | side to their mission to make America procreate again? I'm Lucy Hawkins. From the BBC World |
1:35.2 | Service, this is The Global Story. I can speak to our Washington correspondent, Nomia |
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