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Intelligence Matters

The Global National Security Effects of COVID-19: Former CIA Deputy Director Director John McLaughlin

Intelligence Matters

CBS News

(154991), News, Cbs, Politics, Government

4.63.3K Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2020

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Intelligence Matters, host Michael Morell speaks with former CIA deputy director John McLaughlin about the immediate and long-term effects the COVID-19 pandemic may have on global national security. McLaughlin and Morell focus on tensions within the U.S.-China relationship that the outbreak has exacerbated, as well as efforts by adversaries like Russia, Iran and North Korea to further destabilize the world order. McLaughlin shares views on the value of leadership to coordinate a response, and voices concerns about a potential void left by an America-First policy. Intelligence Matters will dedicate several forthcoming episodes to understanding the fundamentals and national security implications of COVID-19.

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0:00.0

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0:08.4

This is Intelligence Matters with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morrell. Brought to you by Lockheed Martin. Your mission is ours.

0:18.0

We can't get through this in my personal opinion

0:22.4

without a fairly transparent and cooperative relationship with China.

0:27.2

I mean, the distinguishing feature of this virus is that it requires a global response

0:33.0

because it doesn't know any boundaries unless we work together on this.

0:38.4

We're not going to be able to beat it in the efficient manner.

0:43.4

So it matters as a matter of confidence in dealing with China that we understand its origins.

0:49.6

You need leadership. Someone has to lead it. I don't see any country capable of leading it other than the United States.

0:59.6

For a couple of reasons. First, everyone looks to us. Even when they criticize us, one thing I learned in my career was

1:05.6

people want U.S. leadership even when they don't want it.

1:09.6

And yet we're not at the moment really postured to do that.

1:14.6

I don't want to get overly political, but the truth is our current administration is pulled out of just about every multilateral institution

1:22.6

that could be a foundation for global leadership. If we're not going to lead who does, I don't think the Chinese can lead.

1:28.6

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1:51.6

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2:09.6

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