Behind every great fortune lies a great crime because this is hell, and the crimes committed

against humanity and the planet through extractive capitalism are often, though immoral and

illegal, protected by law.

No matter the damage, whether it's lives that are exploited, ruined, or lost, or an environment

made toxic, poisoned by the relentless search for profit.

They have fueled massive fortunes since industrialized capitalism began.

It helped us have a better understanding of a form of capitalism we likely, rarely consider

in our daily transactions we are very happy to have returning to the show.

Political Science Scholar and author Lala Kalili, author of the new book, Extractive Capitalism, How Commodities and Cronism Drive the Global Economy.

Go to our website, search on her name, L-A-L-E-H, and find our past interviews with her.

And you can follow Lala on Twitter at Lala Kalili.

That's L-A-L-E-H-K-H-H-A-L-I-L-I.

Welcome back to the show, Lala.

Hi, Chuck.

And oh, my God, what an introduction that was.

Can I just quickly, though, make a very interesting little correction. I am no longer at Queen Mary. And the reason that I left was,

I was very interested to hear your discussion with Will about their union negotiations. We had a series of academic strikes

a few years back, and Queen Mary actually asked students to snitch on us. They actually set up

a Google form for the students to snitch on us. And given that I grew up in Iran, and that kind of a snitching, which obviously also

Trump's new regulations, apparently wants not only your next-door neighbor, but also

the government institutions to do.

I was just shocked that the university was trying to break the bond of trust between us

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