you use the phrase settler colonialism.

And as you know, many Zionist friends of ours, some of them are irate at the suggestion that the Jewish people coming home to their ancestral homeland, not representing some metropolitan center of power in London

or Paris, but embodying the aspirations

of the Jewish people to reconcile this long exile,

how can they be settler colonists?

What do you say to that?

So history is always a bit more complicated than being just one thing or another thing.

If you read documents, memoirs, fiction of Zionists.

When they come to Palestine, from the very beginning, already in the 1880s,

they built what they call coloniot.

That's the Hebrewization of colonies.

And then they change it to the Hebrew name, Moschavot,

which is the literal translation of that term.

They talk about settlement.

They come to settle the land.

They come to colonize the land.

They use this terminology.

And they also treat the population that they encounter when they acknowledge it in many ways,

the way other colonial groups treat indigenous populations.

They see them as primitive, they see them as somehow

marginal to their own project of colonizing that land. Now yes, of course, Jews who come there,

and I can include people like my own grandparents. When my grandparents,

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