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The Glenn Show: Patricia Agupusi – The Government Corruption Enabling Islamist Terror in Nigeria

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News, Politics

4.4651 Ratings

🗓️ 30 December 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Earlier this month, I recorded a conversation with my friend Patricia Agupusi, assistant professor at Worcester Polytechnic Institute and an expert on insurgencies, political violence, and state capture, among other topics. She has lived and worked extensively in Nigeria, where her fieldwork included interviewing Nigerians displaced by political, ethnic, and religious violence. When I asked […]

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0:00.0

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0:06.6

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0:21.8

Thank you.

0:23.4

Last Thursday, President Trump announced that the United States has launched a number of

0:28.6

strikes against ISIS in Nigeria.

0:31.6

I read this news with dismay because this is exactly what Dr. Patricia Akupusi, today's guest at The Glenshow,

0:39.8

has warned against when we taped our conversation three weeks ago in early December.

0:44.5

She is a wise and well-studied observer of the situation on the ground in Nigeria,

0:52.3

being a Nigerian native herself.

0:55.3

And I think we would do well to listen to her.

0:58.7

Enjoy the episode.

1:00.3

Good evening, folks.

1:01.4

Welcome to the Glenn Show.

1:02.5

This is Glenn Lowry.

1:03.6

I'm the Emeritus Professor of Social Science at Brown University.

1:08.7

And today we're going to be talking about something that rarely

1:11.1

gets the clarity, depth, or attention that it deserves in the United States, and that is the

1:16.0

ongoing violence in northern Nigeria. Violence that has taken thousands of innocent lives,

1:21.4

including the lives of many Christian villagers. Now, if you follow the American press,

1:35.8

you'll hear the word vocal haram tossed around as if it were a monolithic force of Islamic extremism sweeping across Africa.

1:42.3

Sometimes it's framed as a simple religious conflict, Muslim militants versus Christian communities. Sometimes it's involved, invoked in our political debates

1:47.8

here at home with former President Trump recently suggesting that the United States ought to

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