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Hey, girlfriends, it's Anna.

Welcome to Bonus Episode 3.

You're going to hear a lot of discussion about the prison and justice system, which probably

won't be a surprise if you've made it this far into the series.

There's also going to be references to domestic violence, as well as other tough subjects like

sexual abuse and addiction. But it's also a really vital conversation about what we can all do

to change the system for the better.

In the last episode, I introduced you to a woman we called Tina. Following a lifetime of abuse

from family and others, one night she violently attacked her boyfriend, nearly killing him.

It was fuelled by a drug-induced psychosis, But there's no doubt that Tina did it.

She admitted it right away.

She got 16 years, but only served seven and a half after receiving clemency from the governor.

Clearly, at some point, it was understood that locking her behind bars for any longer didn't serve anyone.

At the end of the episode, I asked the question,

what is the actual best recourse for someone like Tina?

How can we reconcile between her crimes and her experience as a victim?

And if the current justice system isn't serving women like

her, what is the best solution? All the way through making jailhouse lawyer, I kept asking

myself that same question and panicking because I wasn't coming up with an answer.

So I called up Lee Goodmark.

She's the author of a book called Imperfect Victims, Criminalized Survivors and the Promise of Abolition Feminism.

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