I'm Natalie Moore. I fell in love with soap operas when I was just five years old, and I still

watch them. Their television's longest scripted series and have zero reruns. Now let me tell you,

soap operas aren't just some silly art form. They are significant. In this season of making,

Stories Without End from WBEZ Chicago, join me as I share how the genre

began, their social impact, and why these stories endure. Listen, wherever you get your podcast.

From WB.E.Z Chicago, this is Nerdad. I'm Greta Johnson. I am actually off this week. So we're

going to bring you a classic from the archives. Here is an interview with the excellent and amazing singer, songwriter and bookwriter, Dessa.

From WBEZ Chicago, this is Nerdette. I'm Greta Johnson. And Nerdette is a show where we talk to your favorite or soon-to-be

favorite people about how their passions drive what they do. And today's guest is Dessa. You don't

know who Dessa is? Well, buckle up.

Because we don't say, go out and be brave. I wouldn't say, be careful, stay safe. In any given instance, that don't hurt.

It sinks in like stilettos and soft earthlight.

The big win is not a day without an incident.

I beg to differ with it.

I think a woman's worth.

I think that she deserves a better line of work

than motherfucking vigilance.

Don't get me vigilance but definition you can't make a difference if the big ambition is simply standing sentry to your innocence that's not a way

to live that can't be what a woman is that gives them nothing to inspire to what that is

what that is it's just a life of running fire drills.

Oh, my God. That's not like I'm about to cry. Also, I feel like I have goosebumps on goosebumps.

Like, that song is just so good. And that is Dessa. She owns her words so beautifully. I am so

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