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The Indicator from Planet Money

The ghosts of Obamacare past, present and future

The Indicator from Planet Money

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🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

Absent a holiday miracle, premium subsidies for the Affordable Care Act are set to expire at the end of this year. This will greatly increase the cost of health insurance for many who rely on the marketplace for their coverage. Today on the show, we are visited by the ghosts of Obamacare past, present and future to learn what’s next for this landmark healthcare legislation.

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0:00.0

NPR.

0:11.6

This is the indicator from Planet Money.

0:13.6

I'm Whalen Wong.

0:14.7

And I'm Stephen Mishaha.

0:16.2

It is the end of the year, which means it is the time of rushing.

0:19.8

Rushing to catch a flight home for the holidays,

0:22.3

rushing for last-minute gifts, and for Congress, rushing to find a solution to a health care

0:27.2

deadline.

0:28.2

When the year ends, expanded subsidies for the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare,

0:33.3

will also end.

0:34.8

And that means the cost of insurance is about to get a lot more expensive for many

0:38.8

people, like Trisha Peña from Hermitage, Tennessee. This year, my premium for a very basic

0:44.5

bronze plan for one person is $197. Next month, it goes up to $1280.

0:53.5

$1,280. That is a more than $1,000 a month increase.

0:58.8

Trisha lost her job last year and decided early retirement was a better deal than trying to find a new job at 61.

1:05.8

She's in pretty good health, but she gets a lot of insurance subsidies because of her age, subsidies that are about to get cut.

1:12.0

I just can't in good conscience pay $1,300 a month for one person's insurance.

1:19.9

Despite this, Republicans have not been able to come together around one solution.

1:25.6

So we wanted to learn about how we got to this point, about the decision that got us

1:30.3

here, what we have to lose, and what the future holds. And to do that, we are turning to a

1:35.5

classic holiday tale. Yes, today on the show, we are getting a visit from the ghost of Obamacare

1:41.2

past, present, and future. Our first ghostly guide is the ghost of Obamacare past, present, and future.

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