Welcome to part two of our conversation about the Walter E. Fernal's Developmental Center and its spirits with paranormal investigator Nick Graves.

Do you feel there's negative entities that are lingering around this facility?

And I'm not trying to go all demonic on us here.

But when you have places like this, sometimes these are the locations where you can literally go,

yeah, there's probably something kind of dark hanging out here.

Maybe not the only thing, but do you feel like there's that here at the campus in some of these buildings?

Yes, I feel there's a strong combination of both.

There are many dark spirits, but there are also a lot of like jubilant, really happy, upbeat spirits there as well that we've interacted with and that

honestly make you feel like, you know, you're just having fun like with these spirits, but then

there are definitely very, very, very, very dark spirits that we have, and entities that we've experienced

at this location. I don't know if maybe, like you said, it would be like something demonic

or maybe elemental or something, but then I also think about, you know, you know, people that

were staff or, you know, patients, you know, that were doing cruel and violent things to other people that were there, you know, that were doing cruel and vile things to other people that were there,

you know, there's even reported cases of, like, janitorial staff and whatnot, you know,

you know, molesting some of the children and stuff like that.

So, like, I definitely believe that there is dark or, you know, not so good energy there.

Mm-hmm.

But for the dark energy that's there, there's also equally as good energy.

So it's like one of those places that's, it's all around intriguing, like all around.

I mean, it's just...

It's balanced almost.

I mean, not that negative is good, but there's good and there's bad.

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