It's the Bryan Lair Show on WNIC. Good morning, everyone. You've obviously been hearing

the headlines about charges brought in Georgia now by a grand jury last night against

Donald Trump, as well as 18 other people, for trying to fraudulently flip the certified

election results there without evidence of Trump actually having won. In this case, Rudy

Giuliani is an indicted co-conspirator. He was an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal

case. Also very interesting to me, Trump's White House Chief of Staff from the post-election

period, Mark Meadows, is indicted here. I'm also concerned, and we'll talk about this

with our guest, about the safety of the members of the grand jury, whose names typically

get released in Georgia. That doesn't happen with federal grand juries, and of course,

Trump had that post recently. If you go after me, I'm coming after you, not to mention

all his previous threats, who knows, who may act on that. Here's DA Funny Willis last night

on the essence of the charges. Georgia, like every state, has laws that allow those

who believe that results of an election are wrong, whether because of intentional wrong

doing, or unintentional error to challenge those results in our state courts. The indictment

alleges that rather than abide by Georgia's legal process for election challenges, the

defendants engaged in a criminal racketeering enterprise to overturn Georgia's presidential

election result.

Racketeer, with me now, Ellie Honek, senior legal analyst for CNN, a former federal and

New Jersey state prosecutor. He's host of the Cafe Podcast up against the mob, different

kind of mob in this case, and he's the author of the book's Hatchet Man, how Bill Barr

broke the prosecutor's code, and corrupted the Justice Department, and his latest, which

came out this year, he was on for a book interview, untouchable, how powerful people get

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