Hi Catherine.

Were you napping?

Yep.

That's why you're late.

Everyone was messaging me and emailing me and I was supposed to do an interview but you know what I said?

I value myself.

I think you learned the wrong lesson.

Anyway, here's the question I have for you today.

So back when we started talking, I remember we took this like walk one day,

you were like, this is going to be a year, and you were like trying to break it to me really gently you know like this is not just a few months this is not just a few weeks this is a year and that was like, okay, wow, weird, got it.

And then, you know, Fauchy started talking about the vaccine,

12 to 18 months.

And you know, I kept hearing 12 to 18 months, 12 to 18 months, and I was like, okay.

But in my mind I started counting down.

And I was like, well, it must be like now it must be like 11 to 15 months or like 10 to 16 months and then I read the other day that the

fastest a vaccine has ever been developed is four years.

And then today I read this story in the times where they did this visualization of like how long it is actually going to take and August 2021 is the most optimistic

scenario and it would require like everything to go right and for us to achieve scientific

development at a pace we never have before in all of human history.

Yeah that sounds about right to me we We don't want to... Well, why didn't you tell me?

Oh, well, so I think the title of that episode was not a two-week problem, at which point it was like a

useful thing to say I think on a lot of people's

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