The Geopolitics of Crypto, With Jill Gunter

The Breakdown

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Investing, Business

4.8 • 806 Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2022

⏱️ 56 minutes

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This episode is sponsored by Nexo.io, Arculus and FTX US. Today on “The Breakdown,” NLW is joined by Espresso Systems co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer Jill Gunter. She is also an investor with Slow Ventures and the former co-founder of the Open Money Initiative. In this discussion, they cover: The impact of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on crypto and the global money system The evolution of the crypto industry since the last crypto winter Changing consumer expectations around privacy And more Find our guest on Twitter: @jillrgunter - From cash to crypto in no time with Nexo. Invest in hot coins and swap between exclusive pairs for cash back, earn up to 17% interest on your idle crypto assets and borrow against them for instant liquidity. Simple and secure. Head on to nexo.io and get started now. - Arculus™ is the next-gen cold storage wallet for your crypto. The sleek, metal Arculus Key™ Card authenticates with the Arculus Wallet™ App, providing a simpler, safer and more secure solution to store, send, receive, buy and swap your crypto. Buy now at amazon.com. - FTX US is the safe, regulated way to buy Bitcoin, ETH, SOL and other digital assets. Trade crypto with up to 85% lower fees than top competitors and trade ETH and SOL NFTs with no gas fees and subsidized gas on withdrawals. Sign up at FTX.US today. - Consensus 2022, the industry’s most influential event, is happening June 9–12 in Austin, TX. If you’re looking to immerse yourself in the fast-moving world of crypto, Web 3 and NFTs, this is the festival experience for you. Use code BREAKDOWN to get 15% off your pass at www.coindesk.com/consensus2022. Enjoying this content? SUBSCRIBE to the Podcast Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1438693620?at=1000lSDb Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/538vuul1PuorUDwgkC8JWF?si=ddSvD-HST2e_E7wgxcjtfQ Google: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9ubHdjcnlwdG8ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M= Join the discussion: https://discord.gg/VrKRrfKCz8 Follow on Twitter: NLW: https://twitter.com/nlw Breakdown: https://twitter.com/BreakdownNLW - “The Breakdown” is written, produced by and features Nathaniel Whittemore aka NLW, with editing by Rob Mitchell, research by Scott Hill and additional production support by Eleanor Pahl. Adam B. Levine is our executive producer and our theme music is “Countdown” by Neon Beach. The music you heard today behind our sponsor is “I Don't Know How To Explain It” by Aaron Sprinkle. Image credit: paparazzit/Getty Images, modified by CoinDesk. Join the discussion at discord.gg/VrKRrfKCz8.

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0:00.0	Welcome back to The Breakdown with me, NLW.
0:09.1	It's a daily podcast on macro, Bitcoin, and the big picture power shifts remaking our world.
0:15.0	The breakdown is sponsored by nexo.io, Arculus, and FtX, and produced and distributed by CoinDesk.
0:22.8	What's going on, guys? It is Friday, April 1st, and there are no April Fool's jokes here on
0:28.1	the breakdown. We are all serious all the time. And today, I am thrilled to be joined by
0:33.3	Jill Gunter, returning guests to the breakdown. But before that, if you're enjoying the show,
0:38.4	please go subscribe to it, give it a rating, give it a review, or if you want to get deeper
0:42.5	into the conversation, come join us on the Breakers Discord. You can find a link in the show notes
0:47.3	or go to bit.orgie slash breakdown pod. Also a disclosure, as always in addition to them being a
0:53.3	sponsor of the show, I also work with
0:55.8	FTX. Now, as I've mentioned, Jill Gunter is a frequent guest of the breakdown. She's one of my
1:01.9	favorite people to talk to about big picture power shifts. She was a former co-founder of the
1:07.3	Open Money Initiative, which did research on how money was managed in places
1:11.3	experiencing hyperinflation, capital controls, criminalization of free markets. She's a venture
1:16.9	partner at Slow Ventures, so also has an investing perspective on crypto and technology more broadly.
1:22.0	And finally, she's now a co-founder and chief strategy officer at Espresso Systems, which is
1:26.7	looking at privacy and
1:28.0	scalability in the context of crypto. We have a really wide-ranging conversation that extends
1:34.3	from the geopolitical to the macro back to the crypto industry, and so I know you're going to
1:38.7	enjoy it. And with no further ado, let's dive in. All right, Jill, welcome back to the breakdown. It has been not that long,
1:47.0	but it seems like a really, really long time. Crypto years. It's like dog years, right?
1:52.3	Absolutely. Okay, so for people who aren't familiar, one of the things that makes you a constantly
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