Following now infamous congressional testimony on pervasive anti-Semitism at Harvard,

the university's then-president Claudein Gay was accused of widespread plagiarism,

which ultimately caused her to step down.

One of the sources she allegedly drew from was the scholarship of Dr. Carol Swain,

who has since written a book documenting the research that allegedly drew from was the scholarship of Dr. Carol Swain, who has since

written a book documenting the research that was stolen from her and the sequence of events.

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Swain to discuss her case and what she says are the systemic

failures plaguing elite academia. I'm Daily Wire, editor-in-chief John Bickley with Georgia Howe. It's Saturday,

February 1st, and this is a weekend edition of Morning Wire.

Joining us now to discuss the alleged plagiarism of her work by Harvard's former president

and the academic integrity crisis is Dr. Carol Swain. Dr. Swain,

thank you for joining us. Certainly my pleasure. Now, in your new book, The Gay Affair,

you recount your own experience as a victim of alleged plagiarism by Claudine Gay, Harvard's

first black president. First, how did this experience shape your perspective on the systemic failures you critique in the book?

I can tell you that discovering that I had been victimized 26 years ago was a shocker.

And then the process, what I watched unfold over the next few months, was very eye-opening.

Because in the past, when people were caught pleasureizing, if they were journalists, they paid a price.

And institutions used to monitor that, but I learned that in the case of Claudine Gay and Harvard,

what they did was stand behind her and even

try to redefine pleasureism as duplicative language without attribution.

Yeah, can you walk us through that? We followed it very closely here, but for any listeners who didn't,

how exactly did Harvard respond to those accusations that came to

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