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Hi, this is Gabriel Marcotte and if we sound a little bit different this week there's a reason for it.

We taped what I thought was an excellent podcast with Ollie Kay and Julian Morris joining me this morning.

But unfortunately, we were hit by the technical stafu from hell.

We lost our entire recording.

And so we were very grateful to Gary Jacob and

and Ollie and the others who came back on. We did our best to cobble together

from form of podcasts and we hope that this will tide you over until next week when hopefully we won't have any of these nasty technical issues.

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