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This is a podcast from The Times. Go to The just talking to one other person.

I'm joined by Matt Holland and Patty Barclay and we're going to talk about the FIFA World

Club.

Now this is something that often gets sort of derided as a Tim pot, especially when English

clubs aren't in it.

It's a format that is a bit unwieldy because you got the champions of the six confederations plus a team from the host nation in Japan this year and next year. And then they sort of play off against each other and the two really big teams, the European champions of Europe and the champions of South America,

this year scientists only sort of come in at the semi-final stage. I play a game and then play a final.

By the time you listen to this, we'll know who the

finalists are, you would assume it's going to be Barcelona against Santos, setting up a nice,

messy versus Neymar situation, although worth mentioning that last year,

the African side knocked T.P. Mazzambe,

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