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Obviously on the weekend we marked the passing of Socrates.

Julian I wanted to obviously on the weekend we we marked the passing of Socrates, the great Brazilian midfielder.

And one of the things that struck me, he was known for was he was somebody who had a very strong sort of very intelligent man, but also somebody who had very strong political views

He as you may know at the time that he was playing in Brazil, there was a military dictatorship

that was slowly transitioning towards democracy, but clearly not, not, certainly not quickly

enough for a lot of people, especially a lot of people on the left the way

Socrates was.

First of all, I wanted to get from you

Soccer has spoke about how he kind of felt it was his responsibility as a very

as a very

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