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This is a podcast from The Times. Go to The Times. On Monday you wrote a column I thought actually quite a well

thought out column you know giving the we've had the initial reaction and now

maybe you've had a few more days we can be a little

bit more reflective dealing with race in football and racial abuse and obviously

is linked to the allegations against John Terry and Louis Suarez.

But I want to start with something else just about racing the game and I'm going to read you.

These quotes are from Dave Wielin.

Dave Wielin is the Wigan owner. He's also a former professional. He's a self-made man.

He's a northerner. And he's also a man of a certain age. I find the reason I point this out is I find

this appalling I don't know if there's some kind of generational shift here and

Dave Wielin said, quote,

if a white man insults a black man, that's big, big news.

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