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Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Galen.

Today, I'm once again joined by legendary democratic strategist, senior advisor to the Lincoln Project,

and host of that trippy show found on your favorite podcast app, Joe Trippy.

Joe, welcome back. Great to be with you, Reed.

All right. Well, it's been a while, Joe, so there was a story as we're recording this by a guy named Jonathan Martin, who you and I have known.

He started at Politico many moons ago when he and I used to eat chili at a place called Hard Times Cafe in Old Town, Alexandria.

When's the New York Times now back at Politico about the idea that, you know, it's not a two way race in 2024 could be a three or four way race in 2024.

And you and I have both talked and written extensively about this phenomenon, which is that you have obviously president Joe Biden, who will be the democratic nominee.

And anybody who's listening does not believe that I also have a bridge to sell you.

We assume, and I think it's probably a pretty strong assumption, Joe that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee that his numbers only go up after every succeeding indictment.

We should expect that'll be any different.

We now have this group, no labels hanging out there that we have we've all talked about extensively, you know, threatening to put a third party candidate on the ballot.

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