So on this episode I've got former CEO of Saracens, Harlequin's Melbourne Storm, wonderful blow,

very good at contextualising the nuances, the important part, the commercialisation

of the game of rugby union, and League, it's the powerful, the wonderful Mark Evans.

There's something so romantic about Winter, and I don't know whether that's just because I'm

bit the homebody and I love a five, but I think it's just a holiday period, it's just for me,

it's the most romantic period, and I think anyone who's listened to my records will know that I'm

quite a big fan of romance. Joy in every sip with red carp snout back at Starbucks.

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How do you share my age now? Surely not for an advertising model.

I was at Sarasons and travelled from the Cotswolds to Sarasons because I didn't think I was going

to be playing. I had one eye on retirement, missed something job in the Cotswolds, and I was

just into podcasts. Last season at Sarasons, my mate of a mate approach said, there's a guy called Fred,

he's thinking about getting some ex players or yourself at the next player to do a podcast.

I was doing a series for Sarasons called Don't Mess With Jim, where I was interviewing the

lads. You wouldn't have seen it was on YouTube, Saras TV. They gave me an opportunity to do content.

I was interviewing Marrow, pitch side, Billy, I was not billiard, win between the Vuna Polars and

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