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The Democratic Party is in a battle right now with itself.

After devastating losses in 2016, the party was resurgent in 2018,

but the lessons from both elections remain unclear.

Should the Democratic Party be one of progressive grassroots activism

or should it try to win back suburban and moderate voters?

Which is the winning strategy for the 47 Democrats

currently running for president in 2020 and beyond? Some in the parties say that

choice is a false one and others say it's an existential one. This is Radio Atlantic. My guest for this scintillating and important conversation is the always scintillating and very important

Dan Fifer, former senior advisor to President Obama, and co-host of a little-known broadcast known as Pod Save America.

Pod Save America.

Dan Pfeiffer, welcome to Radio Atlantic.

I am very excited to be here on this esteemed very high-brow podcast. Thank you.

We're going to class up the joint, your joint.

So Dan, let me just start as we talk about where the state of the Democratic Party and what the

organizing principles should be. When you think about 2016, what did the loss in

that election tell you about what Democrats needed to do?

That is such a challenging question because they're, the close losses are the hardest ones to sort of

divine what both the losses and close ones actually divine actual lessons

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