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Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Future of GLP-1 Drugs and AI Medicine, With Eli Lilly CEO David Ricks

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News, News Commentary

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

The GLP-1 drug revolution has taken the medicine world by storm. I’ve done several episodes on the science of GLP-1s. But we’ve never done an episode like this before, where we talk to one of the most important people in charge of guiding the GLP-1 drug revolution. Our guest is Dave Ricks, the CEO of Eli Lilly, the largest pharmaceutical company in the world. First we talk about what makes the GLP-1 drug category special and the science that Lilly is doing to improve these drugs. Then, we talk about the pharmaceutical industry more broadly. How it works. How it could work better. And I don’t shy away from the question that I think Pharma CEOs need to take much more seriously: If the pharmaceutical industry is theoretically more devoted than any other economic category to saving people’s lives, why do Americans distrust it more than any other industry in the entire economy? Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. Host: Derek ThompsonGuest: David RicksProducer: Devon Baroldi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

One way to tell the story of human history is to just look at how people die.

0:11.2

I know that's a bit grisly, but just bear with me for a moment.

0:14.4

In the last 5,000 years, the single most deadly disease was smallpox.

0:19.5

Some scientists estimate that it killed billions of people before

0:22.8

the 21st century. But in the 1790s, a British physician named Edward Jenner took material from a

0:29.1

cow infected with cowpox and used it to inoculate a young boy. Since that fortunate but incredibly

0:36.0

unethical science experiment, vaccination, the word itself

0:39.8

coming from the Latin for cow, vodka, has spared millions of lives from an early death.

0:46.4

By the early 1900s, in rich countries like the U.S. where smallpox was fading out, another killer

0:52.2

emerged as the apex predator of humanity, bacterial infection.

0:58.0

According to the best records we have, almost all of the top causes of death in the late

1:02.6

19th century were bacterial, whether it was the gunky stuff in your lungs or the little

1:08.8

buggers in your gut. But thanks to the accidental discovery of penicillin in the 1920s and a heroic effort by

1:15.1

the U.S. to scale up that drug during World War II, bacterial infections have since plummeted.

1:21.8

Today, the top causes of death in the U.S. are not poxes or bacteria.

1:27.3

They are heart disease, cancer, stroke,

1:30.3

and Alzheimer's. These diseases are not typically premature killers. In many cases, they are more

1:36.2

like mortality's consolation prize. They are the consequences of not dying young. And this frames the challenge we face in modern medicine.

1:47.7

While we have made progress against this new class of villains, statins for our hearts,

1:52.7

immunotherapy for cancer, these killers are still killing us with remarkable frequency.

1:58.4

There is an idea in progress studies called the burden of knowledge.

2:03.1

Sometimes it looks like progress in a field, like science, is slowing down,

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