Happy New Year with pod listeners.

As we wrap up the re-release of our Future Of series,

we're sharing our conversation with Jonah Goldman on the future of energy.

This episode was first released in March 2022.

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Hello welcome to why is this happening with me your host Chris Hayes.

Well you know an interesting thing happens when you record a special series and you have to do it ahead of time,

which is that a lot can change in the world between when you record it and when you release it.

This conversation today we recorded prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and it's a conversation focusing on energy and there's a lot of stuff in there

I think all of it's still relevant but the context in which you might hear it or interpret it is in some ways going to be necessarily a little different after what has happened

with the Russian invasion of Ukraine particularly around the prevalence of hydrocarbons

their connection to Europe, Russia's power, and also nuclear power, which has been at the center of the story. We touch on it in this

conversation. You've got civilian nuclear power in the form of

nuclear power plants in Ukraine which have been fired upon, attacked, or occupied by

Russian forces. There's safety concerns there. There's also of course nuclear weapons which have been you know hinted at or

pointed to by the Putin regime so we figured it was worth keeping in all the

discussion on nuclear because it's still relevant even though I think

there's ways in which the context of it or the concerns around safety might be

heightened now in light of the recent developments.

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