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Make Me Smart

The future of education research in limbo

Make Me Smart

Marketplace

Business, News

4.65.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

On today’s show, host of APM Reports’ “Sold a Story” podcast Emily Hanford joins Kimberly to make us smarter about the science of reading movement. It’s gained a foothold over the past few years (thanks in part to “Sold a Story”). But the Trump administration’s cuts to the Department of Education could slow the momentum of reading research and the effort to share it with educators.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, it's Kimberly Adams.

0:08.5

Welcome back to Make Me Smart, where none of us is as smart as all of us.

0:13.1

We are back after our little summer break, and I hope everybody has been taking it as easy as you can these last days of summer. Make Me Smart

0:23.2

is going to sound and look a little bit different going forward. So first of all, we're going to be

0:28.0

dropping three episodes per week on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays. It's going to be fewer

0:34.6

episodes, but we'll have more deep dives, special guests, and some

0:39.2

adventures on the road. And then based on what we've heard from you, we are going to include

0:44.2

more people living and working in the trenches of the economy, plus, of course, some key decision

0:50.1

makers that are shaping policy, tech, and culture in ways you might not expect.

0:55.0

I'm going to be your Make Me Smart host, and you'll still hear regularly from your favorite marketplace voices, plus some of my favorite sources and surprise guests along the way.

1:05.0

One of them is my American public media colleague, Emily Hanford. She's a senior correspondent and producer at APM Reports.

1:14.2

If her name sounds familiar, that's because she's the host of the award-winning podcast

1:19.2

sold a story, which investigates how a debunked approach to teaching kids how to read

1:25.3

took over classrooms across the country, and how that's

1:28.9

changing. She dropped a special episode that ties into a lot of what we've been covering on

1:33.8

Make Me Smart this year. It's about the Trump administration's cuts to federal jobs and

1:39.1

research funding and how that all ties in to reading. Emily, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me.

1:47.8

So for those who haven't listened to the series, tell us a bit about sold a story and the reporting that you do.

1:54.5

Well, sold a story first came out in the fall of 2022, and it was actually the result of reporting

2:01.5

that I had been doing for years in education.

2:04.0

And I got really interested back in like 2017, 2018

2:07.4

in how children learn to read.

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