Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast, a vibe coding from your phone.

I'm your friend David Pierce, and my power is out.

So it's Monday, March 16th as I'm recording this, and I live in the Washington, D.C. area

where we are supposedly in a few hours from now getting some, like, giant generational storms, potentially even including a bunch

of tornadoes. But the really fun thing is that the power is out several hours before it's even

supposed to start raining. So it's just going to be one of those days. We're doing super great.

But this means that if you are watching this on YouTube, you get to see what my home office slash basement

slash studio setup looks like when there's no lights and no fancy camera. And it's just me talking

into my MacBook because the Vergecast goes on. Anyway, on this show, most of what we're going to do

today is one conversation that I had recently with Paul Ford.

Paul Ford, you might know, he's been writing about technology for a very long time.

He also runs an AI technology company called Aboard.

Paul has been thinking about technology longer than most.

He writes a blog called F-Train that's been around for forever.

He's also written for Wired and Bloomberg.

If you remember

that big Bloomberg Businessweek issue called What Is Code? That was like 40,000 words of just

what is code. That was Paul. He's just a smart person to talk to about technology and is one of the

people I have leaned on over the years to just try and think through where we are and what's going on.

So where we are right now and what's going on right now is we are in a moment of huge change

for how we interact with technology and with AI in particular.

Paul wrote a great piece for the New York Times opinion a while ago.

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