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The Future of AI and The Nature of Consciousness

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🗓️ 18 January 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

There are more potential moves on a Go board than there are atoms in the universe; the game is universally considered to be one of the most complex played by humans. And, yet, an AI computer program can play it perfectly. What does that mean for humanity? Terry Sejnowski is the Frances Crick Chair at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, a Distinguished Professor at the University of San Diego, and author of the book “ChatGPT and The Future of AI.” Ricky Mulvey caught up with Sejnowski for a conversation about: - How chatbots work. - Mapping large neural models. - What a self-aware parrot can teach us about human consciousness. Premium Motley Fool members can catch replays from this week’s AI Summit here: https://www.fool.com/premium/4056/coverage/2025/01/15/ai-summit-replay To become a premium Motley Fool member, go to www.fool.com/signup Host: Ricky Mulvey Guest: Terrence Sejnowski Producer: Mary Long Engineer: Rick Engdahl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

And so the question is, if we take that data and then use these tools now that we have, these AI tools, to download that data into a large neural model, can we now understand how that brain is able to solve these tasks in a way that wasn't possible by just looking at the

0:23.7

activity patterns, which are areas of the brain that just glow and it's not really telling you

0:30.3

a lot about how they interact with each other, right? But we can do that now and we'll figure out

0:36.1

how they interact with each other different parts of the brain.

0:42.9

I'm Mary Long, and that's Terry Sinovsky.

0:45.5

He's the Francis Crick Chair at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies

0:48.8

and a distinguished professor at the University of San Diego.

0:52.8

His latest book is Chat Chagipit

0:54.5

and the Future of AI. If you're a regular listener of Motley Full Money, you've

0:59.5

probably heard us talk a fair bit about artificial intelligence. If you're new to the show,

1:04.5

I'd still wager that you've at least heard about ChatGPT. But what exactly are large

1:10.2

language models? How do they work? How do they

1:12.6

remember and reason? And if they're so good at human tasks, what actually makes them

1:18.6

different from us? My colleague Ricky Mulvey caught up with Sinovsky for a conversation

1:23.6

about how chatbots work, graduating from large language models to large

1:29.2

neural models, and the nature of consciousness.

1:37.9

One of the major themes of your book is how AI researchers are learning from brains and how

1:43.8

neuroscientists are learning from brains and how neuroscientists are

1:45.0

learning from large language models. One thing I think many listeners want to know, though,

1:49.9

is, is AI going to take my job? We have a lot of knowledge workers who listen to this podcast.

1:56.1

And I think it's a real worry when it can, you know, perform a lot of analysis, maybe a little better

2:02.3

than us humans can. As you've looked into these models, what's your advice to those folks worried

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