Hello, I'm Richard Reich. Welcome to the Daily Signal Podcast. Today we're talking with

Hadley Arches, an American political scientist, an Edward Nay professor of jurisprudence

and American institutions emeritus at Amherst College, where he has taught since 1966.

He is the founder and director of the James Wilson Institute on natural rights and the

American founding. Hadley, thank you so much for joining us to talk about this recent

DOBS decision and the future of abortion policy and jurisprudence in American law.

Thanks, so good to see you, Richard. Thanks so much for having me out.

So, Hadley, a question here at the beginning. You are a well-known writer, legal, philosophical

commentator on the Constitution and on what you argue for the natural law underpinnings

of the Constitution. You've written extensively about abortion for decades. When the

DOBS decision was handed down on June 24th this past month, what went through your mind?

What about this moment? What did you experience?

Well, it was of course with all any reservations we may have about a great moment. I was active

in this movement just before Rovers' way and it was hard to imagine that this thing

would come down even in our lifetimes. And it took, let's see, 11 Republican appointments

after Rovers' way, finally to get five votes going to do this. But the point at disappointment

was, well, it runs back to those lawyers in Rovers' way, the lawyers from Texas, who

assembled the most elegant brief drawing on the updated findings of embryology woven

with principal reasoning, to make this critical point that that offspring in the womb has

never been anything other than human from its first moments, that it received its nourishment

from this mother, but has never been merely a part of the mother. Well, the dissenters

in Rovers never spoke those words. And the point of disappointment for me and the source

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