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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Future and its Intransigents

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

News, Politics

4.76.6K Ratings

🗓️ 28 October 2021

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

Steve Teles joins The Remnant for a second time to explore what can be done to fix our dysfunctional parties. Like many of Jonah’s closest friends, Steve disagrees with his idea that a third party could cure what ails the GOP, and instead argues that we should build moderate factions within it. Brace yourself for an exceptionally wonky discussion, which covers Jonah’s distaste for primaries, why we need a better class of political moderate, and whether Joe Biden should be considered a centrist. There’s also plenty of gratuitous complaining about Congress and the Clintons, so prepare your bingo cards. Show Notes: - Steve’s page at the Niskanen Center - Never Trump, Steve and Rob Saldin’s latest book - The Captured Economy, Steve’s previous book with Brink Lindsey - Steve’s previous Remnant appearance - Jonah: “A Third Party Could Cure What Ails the GOP” - Jonah: “Words with Friends” - Steve and Rob: “The Future is Faction” - “Cost Disease Socialism” - Matt Yglesias: “Congressional Moderates Could Make a Party of Their Own” - Mitt Romney’s child benefit plan - David Shor: “How Democrats Can Save Themselves” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Oh

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Ladies and gentlemen

0:16.5

Can I please have your attention

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Thank you

0:27.5

Greetings here listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg host of the Remind podcast brought you by the dispatch and dispatch media

0:34.1

Today we've got a

0:37.0

Another installment and what we might just as well call an occasional series

0:41.6

At this point on this podcast because we still have to get Charlie Cook in here for us to have this argument that we have over text in on the podcast on this

0:53.3

trial balloon thing that I floated a couple weeks ago now about third parties and

0:59.5

a sort of punitive rational

1:03.1

conservative party that whose goal wasn't necessarily to

1:06.8

govern but so much as to put the Republican party back on track and

1:12.8

We'll put in the show notes. You can read it if you haven't read it and all the various other stuff will put that in there too

1:18.0

But I wanted to sort of go bigger picture and bring in a

1:22.2

Scholar who I'm a big fan of who does a lot of work on some of these related issues

1:28.1

particularly on the role of how

1:31.3

factions are going to be

1:33.3

More important than they've been for most of our lifetimes and so we have we have Steve Tellers coming in and he is

1:41.7

a professor of political science at Johns Hopkins

1:44.1

He's also senior fellow at the Nascannon Center and he is the author of

1:50.2

quite a few great books the most recent which we talked to him about when it came out was his book on

1:56.7

with who was co-written by with Rob Seldeen on

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