What's up everybody? Welcome to Flagrant. You know, there is a vote by the House committee to see if we could get the whole Epstein file released.

And shockingly, some of these politicians, I believe, how many other one, two, three, four, five, six, seven of them said that it's probably not a good idea that we released the full detailed Epstein file and

you know what we could do is just decide to move on to something else I'm sure there'll be other

news stories or maybe we could bring somebody who has become quite the expert at the Epstein

story phenomenal podcast our good good friend Sa friend Sager and Jetty, everybody. Yeah, I saw your episode with Tucker. It was absolutely amazing. And I didn't realize how detailed in depth your knowledge of it. He's got a kid now. So we gotta know. Yeah, he's got to know. And I have a baby girl. Yeah, it's true. I didn't do the research, but I asked you a lot of questions.

That's what all good men do.

Yeah, you'll outsource doing it.

So maybe it's a good idea that we just kind of like start with the case for Epstein being intelligence.

Because what I've seen quite recently is a lot of people kind of wiping the record and acting like this is

pure conspiracy that he did have any ties or connections. And I think there's a lot of like,

we have a lot of tidbits of information that we've all kind of collected. There's this collective

conscience that he absolutely is. So like what is the argument for it? Maybe give us some backstory.

I know you put together something amazing. So just break it down. Who is this Epstein character that we all think we know so well? I'll start off from the top. I totally understand people who are saying it's a conspiracy theory. And in large part, I think it's because it's been wildly overstated by some people, which is natural in an open environment, right? They're like, he's obviously

Mossad, he's obviously CIA. This is part of a blackmail ring. And in my opinion, the American people actually have it right. They just don't have the language, the facts, and they need to pull it together. And I want them to have the information that they have to be able to make that case, especially whenever we have the former Israeli Prime minister, Naftali Bennett, just yesterday,

who said unequivocally, Epstein did not work for Mossad. Now remember, you know, there are key terms here

that matter. Work is not the same as asset or worked with or worked with at some time. And this is

the master game that these people play, the non-denial denial. It's one of the most classic things in the history of Washington.

So let's start at the very, very, very beginning. And I've put together some stuff. That's why I have my laptop here with me. So the first time that we can see any link between Jeffrey Epstein and somebody who would become eventually very important to a story in the intelligence world is in 1974. So, 1974, right here in New York City, where we are today,

Jeffrey Epstein, despite having no college degree and being a dropout from New York University,

is hired by Donald Barr.

Now, why does that last name sound familiar?

Donald Barr is the father of William Barr,

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