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Welcome to the Double X Gab Fest for Thursday, October 5th, the From Mildred to Crystal Edition.

I'm Hannah Rosen, a host of NPR's and Visibilia.

In the New York studios today, we have June Thomas, the managing producer of Slate Podcasts. Hi, June.

Hey, Hannah. And Noreen Malone of New York Magazine. Hi, Noreen. Before we get started, I just want to say, listeners, you were fabulous on the best friend's topic. A special thanks to Kat Buckley, who sent us pictures of her bestie.

They've been bestie since they were 10 years old and they were so charming and cute. Weren't you guys just charmed by that? Like, didn't it make you wish you had a best friend forever? Like a real BFF, not just like BFF, but a real one. It's so, it's so, it's so awesome. It was very awesome. But we also did get letters from people who, like, related to me and we're like, yeah, it's fine, it's fine. It's not have one. Like, it's great if you have one, but it's all cool. It's all good. Yeah. Well, friendship relationships are welcome on the double X gap. That's right. Thank you. That's our official position on friendship. Exactly. Okay, let's get going. We are going to talk about the legacy of Hugh Hefner, the prince of the playboy mansion. Hotly debated this week, we discuss. Then we'll talk about the movie The Battle of the Sexes, about the epic gender battle of the 70s between tennis player Billy Jean King and chauvinist tennis player Bobby Riggs with a

special guest who covered the match at the time. And then finally, we'll talk about Gloria

Allred, the legal defender of assault victims everywhere. Is she a champion of women? Or does she

lock us into a very particular kind of victimhood? Then in our Slate Plus segment, we will discuss,

you want to say what we're going to discuss, Maureen? We're going to discuss whether it's sexist

for women to date older men and not younger men or contemporaries. Or contemporaries. Yes. Are you

harming the sisterhood if you date outside your immediate peer group?

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Okay. Our first topic. Hugh Hefner, the prince of the Playboy Mansion, died last week,

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