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The NXR Podcast

THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Drowning Baptists And The “Evolution” Of Christian Nationalism

The NXR Podcast

NXR STUDIOS

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 August 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In this conversation, Pastor Joel Webbon and Dr. Stephen Wolfe discuss the historical context of Baptist persecution in early America, exploring the dynamics of religious liberty, the role of key figures like Roger Williams and Cotton Mather, and the evolution of Christian Nationalism within the American context. The dialogue emphasizes the complexities of church-state relations and the misunderstandings surrounding the First Amendment, ultimately advocating for a clear vision of America as a distinctly Christian nation

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0:17.2

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0:21.5

We need this content for the glory of God to reach more people's ears. Okay, here we are ten-part series. I'm Pastor Joel Webbin. This is

0:49.3

part nine, and Dr. Wolf has prepped me right before we started recording. We've got an idea, roadmap of what the episode's about. I forget virtually everything that you said, but I remember this. We're talking about persecuting Baptist. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, and why we should do that all the time and bring it back. But we are going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the early American history being a pan-protistant movement. You know, the immediate objection is, yeah, pan-protistant my butt. You guys were, you know, picking on the Baptist. What's up with that? And if we go back to be in a Christian nation, you're going to do it again. I'm Presbyterian, so a little bit different. When you say congregation, you're talking about like a John Owen kind of like,

1:10.8

they're still paid-o, but there's not a presbytery outside of the local church. Yeah, like John Kahn, John, yeah, they were all. A Baptist polity, but a Pato covenantalism. Yeah. Close enough. Yeah. I could get behind that. Yeah. I'm close. Yeah. I've been close for a while now.

1:47.2

Yeah, I think, you know, someday I'll convince you the Presbyterian polity, but, uh, you know.

1:51.8

Honestly, the most convincing thing of the Presbyterian polity is, uh, every time I go online and

1:56.8

read the thoughts of other Baptist ministers. Like, somebody needs to be in charge of these guys.

2:02.0

Yeah, yeah.

2:03.2

Sometimes it can be bad because there's that good old boy system

2:07.7

and a certain mentality that can prevent you from speaking clearly

2:13.7

and truthfully about things.

2:14.8

Right.

2:15.1

Because then you have the heavy hand of a Presbytery and- Well, I was gonna say, you know, like-

2:20.1

Celebrities in a denomination can very, be very kind of informally influential at a

2:24.7

Presbytery level. At the time of this recording, like, honestly, my Baptist polity

2:29.3

in Congregationalism is one of the things that saved me. Yeah, yeah. With a recent

2:33.8

controversy, you know, like, and really putting a strong arm on like, you've got this,

2:39.0

you know, this guy and he needs to be brought up on charges or church disciplined, and

2:45.0

because I'm a Baptist, I was able to say, take a hike.

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