THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Classical Two-Kingdoms And The Intersection Of Church and State
The NXR Podcast
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4.5 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 16 August 2025
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
In this conversation, Joel Webbon and Dr. Stephen Wolfe explore the intricate relationship between church and state through the lens of Two-Kingdoms Theology. They discuss the distinctions between civil and spiritual authority, the role of the church in society, and the concept of the Christian Prince as a divinely appointed leader.Webbon critiques both Protestant and Catholic perspectives on the church and state, emphasizing the importance of maintaining a clear understanding of Scripture and the implications of political leadership in a Christian context.
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| 0:21.5 | We need this content for the glory of going to talk about a few things, three things in particular. We're going to talk about. Christian nationalism. And this may be, for many of you, the episode that you've been waiting for, |
| 0:55.2 | we're going to talk about a few things, three things in particular. We're going to talk about |
| 0:58.6 | natural law and how it relates to civil law. We're also going to talk a little bit about |
| 1:03.7 | kind of Khyperianism versus a classical two kingdom theology. And I'll update the audience |
| 1:10.7 | where I'm kind of at with that and give Stephen |
| 1:13.1 | a chance to poke some holes if you can. And I think he'll be able to probably at least get us to |
| 1:19.8 | think. And then lastly, drum roll please, we will talk about the Christian Prince. And so I think |
| 1:26.5 | this will be a great episode. So let's go |
| 1:28.1 | ahead and dive in, natural law, civil law, start the discussion. Okay. Yeah. So my view, |
| 1:34.8 | which I take to be the classical Protestant view, is that civil law also knows positive law, |
| 1:42.9 | is must be derived from the moral law of God. |
| 1:48.0 | And the moral law can be considered as the natural law, |
| 1:52.0 | meaning that it's immutable, it's creational, |
| 1:55.0 | it's universal applied to all men. |
| 1:59.0 | But it's also revealed in scripture, summarized the Ten Commandments. |
| 2:04.0 | That's what I was going to say. Part of the reason you never have bothered me with natural laws, |
| 2:08.5 | the first time I had you on our show, it was like two years ago right after you published the book. |
| 2:12.6 | And one of the questions I asked you, and I already kind of knew the answer, but I was just confirming, |
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