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Michael Freedman joins Nathan on Thinking LSAT to share his story as a trial lawyer in some of the nation’s most high-profile criminal cases. Along the way, he shares candid advice for law students about finding their path, building experience, and starting a firm. Michael emphasizes the importance of treating law school like a job, embracing trial work, and nurturing every professional relationship.
4:00 – UC Hastings
Michael recalls feeling bored during his 1L year but loving 2L because he finally began interacting with real lawyers. Nathan encourages students to approach law school the way Michael did. Michael offers two practical tips for success: treat law school like a 9-to-5 job and intentionally build life balance outside of school.
27:10 – Federal Clerkship and Government Position
Despite participating in OCI, Michael didn’t land a Big Law job. Instead, he worked during law school for a trial lawyer focused on white-collar defense, which helped him confirm his passion for criminal trial work. The client relationship aspect deeply appealed to him, influencing his decision to clerk after graduation. He landed a prestigious clerkship on the Ninth Circuit. While many of his peers moved into Big Law after clerking, Michael opted for a government role to gain more courtroom experience. When he eventually reached the typical endpoint for federal positions, he chose to start his firm rather than join another existing one.
27:23 – Starting the Freedman Firm
To build his practice, Michael accepted every case, no matter the size, emphasizing that no case was too small in those early days. He believes that founding a firm requires an entrepreneurial mindset—one must enjoy thinking about how to acquire clients, how to handle hiring, and how to manage payroll. He later brought on another partner to help handle larger, more demanding cases.
33:41 – Big Profile Cases
Michael’s work eventually led to invitations to co-counsel on major white-collar criminal cases, including representing Bill Cosby, working on R. Kelly’s trial, and participating in Harvey Weinstein’s appeal. Much of this work was in collaboration with Jennifer Bonjean, a highly respected trial attorney based in Chicago. These opportunities didn’t happen by accident. They stemmed from years of deliberate effort in building strong professional relationships. Michael treats his referral sources like clients themselves, ensuring they’re proud to be associated with his work and satisfied with the results he delivers.
40:41 – Should Our Students Do What You Do?
Michael poses a fundamental question to students: Do you know what kind of lawyer you want to be? He encourages students to take advantage of every opportunity to gain hands-on experience. Law firms require a diverse range of personalities and backgrounds to serve their clients effectively. He urges students to attend court and introduce themselves to lawyers, not just to network, but to genuinely learn. A sincere interest in the work can lead to meaningful opportunities.
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0:00.0 | And one of those lawyers in Chicago called and said, |
0:03.0 | would you have any interest in being local counsel |
0:07.0 | on a civil sex assault case in LA County? |
0:10.0 | And I said, you know, I'm really, like, |
0:12.0 | I'm sort of drowning right now, |
0:14.0 | and that's, it's local counsel and it's a civil case. |
0:18.0 | I'm not sure it's the right thing. |
0:19.0 | And he said, well, the clients billed coffee. |
0:32.9 | Hello and welcome to episode 509 of the Thinking ElSat podcast. I'm Nathan Fox. I'm one of the co-founders of ElSatDemon.com and the ElSat Demon Daily podcast. Joining me today is an old friend, |
0:38.9 | Michael Friedman. Michael, you are the current managing partner and founder of the Friedman firm. |
0:45.8 | How you doing today? I'm good. I don't know if it's, I'm more impressed by how long we've |
0:49.8 | known each other or that this is episode 5009. Yeah, we've been doing, hey, you know what? |
0:55.4 | When you're as old as we are, if you, if you do the same thing once a week for, for a while, |
1:03.4 | you get to 509. |
1:06.5 | It's not, yeah, mathematically, it's not that hard. |
1:10.3 | You just have to kind of keep showing up and doing it. |
1:12.6 | Compound interest. |
1:13.7 | Yeah, exactly, totally. |
1:15.9 | And the benefits actually do pay off that way, you know, with podcasting especially. |
1:20.8 | I'm like a huge advocate of podcasting for business owners because you just show up and you keep |
1:27.1 | showing up and you make yourself an expert in a |
1:29.3 | field and then that whole back catalog like I don't know why more lawyers don't start podcasts |
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