Well, there was two squads of Kurds there, one on each side of it.

I mean, both on the east side of the trench.

Three Isis are there, and I come up to it, bullets are going,

the ice is shooting at us.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, you know, whip, whack, whack, quack.

I come up to them and go, hey, what's going on?

I said, there's three Isis there.

These guys are shooting.

I went there.

Browns are coming in from me from ISIS,

but they never hit me.

I fell down because some grounds hit the ground

underneath me, like these bricks.

And grabbed the girl.

She'd been there for three days.

By now, she's the only kid left alive.

But ran back, gave her to the Syrian translator.

Hey, welcome back to another episode of The Spear,

a podcast by the Modern War Institute at West Point.

I'm John Amble, editorial director at MWI,

and The Spear is our platform to explore the combat experience. This episode is a little unique.

MWI's Jake Morali talks to a guest, who tells a story that took place when he wasn't serving in uniform.

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