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The Way Out Is In

The Four Immeasurable Minds (Episode #88)

The Way Out Is In

Plum Village

Education, Religion & Spirituality, Buddhism, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

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🗓️ 1 May 2025

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

🎟 Get tickets to the live podcast episode in London. Welcome to episode 88 of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino discuss one of the Buddha’s key teachings: the four immeasurable minds. When cultivated, these four qualities – love, compassion, joy, and equanimity – can help heal negative emotions and lead to a more fulfilling, compassionate life.  Both hosts share personal stories and insights about how to apply these teachings, and how to help transform suffering and cultivate a deeper understanding and connection with ourselves and those around us. They emphasize the importance of self-love, deep listening, and embracing interbeing, as well as the power of small acts of kindness, the role of playfulness, the wisdom of non-discrimination in leading a more fulfilling life, and more. Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/   And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resources Donate to support Plum Village’s reconstruction https://plumvillage.org/donate Interbeinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing   The Four Immeasurable Mindshttps://tnhaudio.org/tag/four-immeasurable-minds Dharma Talk: ‘The Four Immeasurable Minds – The Four Elements of True Love’ with Sister Dieu Nghiem (Sister Jina)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXJIdhJJHo Brahmaviharahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmavihara Sariputrahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C4%81riputra Sister Chan Khonghttps://plumvillage.org/about/sister-chan-khong Maitrihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitr%C4%AB Order of Interbeinghttps://orderofinterbeing.org/  Trevor Noahhttps://www.trevornoah.com/about ‘Listening to Namo Avalokiteshvara’https://plumvillage.app/listening-to-namo-avalokiteshvara/  Upekshahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upeksha_(Indian_thought)  Quotes “If you learn to practice love, compassion, joy, and equanimity, you will know how to heal the illnesses of anger, sorrow, insecurity, sadness, hatred, loneliness, and unhealthy attachments.”  “You have to learn to be like the Earth. The Earth doesn’t discriminate; it accepts all and is the mother of all.” “Understanding is love, and it’s the most profound love because, when you understand, there’s no longer a barrier between you and me as separate people.”  “The safest foundation is understanding. When you have that, you can work tirelessly because your understanding is your compass. And it can give you so much insight and so many ways of bridging the separation.”  “One word can release suffering, one action can save a life.”  “Looking with eyes of compassion, we can listen deeply to the cries of the world.” “There is a truth in Buddhism that, no matter what condition you’re going to find yourself in, suffering’s going to be there; your mind is going to create moments of ‘you’re not enough’.”  “Why not be soft? There is so much strength in softness.”  “Thay talked about how we can find joy in everything, that we can find joy in a pebble on the beach, we can find joy in a flower. We can find joy in someone’s smile. We can find joy in the fact that we’re alive. We can find joy in the fact that we can see all the textures and colors in the world. It doesn’t have to be a big thing, but it is the recognition of what it is to be alive.”  “I love the idea that one smile from somebody can restore our faith in humanity. Often, we think we h

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0:00.0

Dear friends, welcome back to this latest episode of the podcast series, The Way Out is In.

0:27.6

I'm Joe Confino working at the intersection of personal transformation and systems evolution. And I am Brother Phaphu, a Zen Buddhist monk student of Zen Master Tickinghan in the Plum Village tradition.

0:34.6

And today, brother, we are going to talk about one of the Buddha's key teachings,

0:41.1

which is on the four immeasurable minds.

0:44.7

Love, compassion, joy and equanimity.

0:49.7

The way out is in.

1:03.0

Yeah. out to steam. Dear friends, I am Joe Confino.

1:05.7

And I'm Brother Fab Hu.

1:07.3

And brother, we haven't seen each other for a little while.

1:11.7

How are you doing?

1:19.5

I'm doing well, and it feels so good to be back in Tai's Hut to record the podcast, and how are you?

1:26.9

I am very well. I also feel that. It's like every time we come into Ty's Heart, it feels like sort of coming home, and we have described it

1:29.8

before to our listeners, but just as a reminder, we are sitting in the sitting still hut

1:36.1

of Tignatown, which overlooks the forest in southwestern France. And it's where Thai lived some of the time.

1:47.0

And it's very, very cozy.

1:48.5

It's very simple.

1:50.0

It's all wooden.

1:52.0

It has a warmth.

1:54.3

But also more importantly, brother,

1:56.8

has Thai's essence here, would you say?

2:00.8

Yes, his vibe is still here, as the new generation would say.

2:05.8

Thank you for reminding me my age.

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