Welcome to another edition of Travel Out Loud reports on America Out Loud. Today is something different. You know,

I usually I deal with national security issues and we talk about guns and bombs and planes and

subversion and that kind of thing. But I think listeners will largely agree that our huge

out-of-control federal government is a major national security issue in multiple ways.

You know, just bankrupting the country is going to make it so we can't afford the military.

The federal government is out of control being weaponized against us by faceless bureaucrats,

sometimes known as a deep state.

And I want to talk today to a friend I've known for many years who has dedicated his life

to studying the Constitution and also methods to remedy the out-of-control federal government to actually rein it in, seeing it as

both a, you know, for multiple reasons, financial, you know, philosophical, national security,

etc. Is that a fair analysis? Is that a fair description of UGR?

Yes, it's very fair. I spent 35 years in the intelligence community. So I pretty much served this nation one way or another, and it dedicated that service really towards the constitutional government that we should be having.

There's such a spectrum that I could probably talk about,

such as, you know, bottom line, we need to have complete oversight over everything the federal government is doing, and the Constitution

demands that that be the states, because they're the parties to the compact, so that even when

intelligence comes up, like the Snowden thing, that should never have gotten out the way it had.

It should have gone to the states.

The state should have had oversight.

You just need to report to

the state legislature. The states would have stepped in and said, what the heck are you doing? We

didn't give the authority to spy on us, that type of crap. So anyway, I, sorry for going down that

little rat hole, but yes, you did a very good assessment. Thank you so much. Thank you. Well, we're

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