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Two years ago, Russia invaded Ukraine.

It was the largest military attack on a European country since World War II.

Reliable casualty figures are hard to come by.

The U.S. intelligence officials estimated last August

that as many as 200,000 Russians and Ukrainians have been killed in the conflict,

with an estimated 10 million people displaced.

Congress has allotted $175 billion in aid for Ukraine since the war began.

But our guest today says that cash and defensive weapons alone

won't liberate Ukraine or impede future Russian aggression.

He insists that Vladimir Putin must be deposed, by force.

Ileoponamarev was a member of Russian parliament from 2007 to 2016, and the only member to vote against Putin's 2014 annexation of

Crimea. Exiled to Ukraine since 2016 he's the political head of the Freedom of Russia Legion, a paramilitary group made up of dissident

Russians, fighting for Ukraine.

He argues that nonviolent resistance is insufficient, and that radical steps are needed to overthrow Putin.

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