Hi, I'm Scott Hahn, and I want to welcome you to the Road to Amas, a podcast from the St. Paul Center.

And I am joined once again by my good friend Rob Corzine. Welcome, Rob. Always a blast. Here at the St. Paul Center. And I am joined once again by my good friend Rob Corzine. Welcome, Rob.

Always a blast. Here at the St. Paul Center, one of the things that keep coming back is the notion

of conversion. We just recently hosted a clergy convert conference with the coming home network

with nearly 40 men and women who were converts or who are in the process of converting.

Yes, they are very much in the process.

Yeah. And so you also reflect on the notion of conversion in, you know, conjunction with St. Paul, perhaps the most famous conversion of all time, the only, the only saints conversion who has a liturgical feast dedicated to the conversion of St. Paul that was the day we had the St. Paul Center headquarters dedicated by the bishop.

In fact, if you want to say conversion, you can just say your road to Damascus moment.

That's right. Paul's conversion is so much the paradigm. Yeah, but the fact is if you want to understand what the Catholic

church means by conversion, not just the one-time decision and not just a single moment of blinding

illumination, I think this grinding lifelong process of ongoing conversion that is

ever deepening, but never easy or just fun, I would say we ought to look not to the rabbi,

Saul, the student of Gamalio, but rather to the fisherman from Copernium, and that is Simon Peter.

Yeah, let me highlight those things you just pulled out.

Yeah.

The conversion, we tend to think of in a Protestant way as like, you know, someone's unconverted, then boom, they're a convert.

But you identified ongoing, ever deepening, and sometimes kind of a grind.

You know, I just celebrated my own 40th anniversary of converting to the Catholic faith

less than two months ago, March 29th, the Easter Vigil in 1986.

And so I've always looked to Paul as sort of the exemplar, the paradigm of conversion.

But after 40 years of becoming Catholic and becoming, what I've obviously discovered is that

becoming Catholic was easy-peasy compared to becoming holy, becoming a saint.

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