Yes, he says American conservation is, I fear, still concerned for the most part with showpieces.

We have not yet learned to think in terms of cogs and wheels.

And of course, that was in San County Almanac, and he wrote that in 1948.

The idea that the politicians and the American public was most interested in protecting the sublime nature of our national parks.

Yeah, that quote opens my book.

You know, I started to think of these BLM lands as the cogs and wheels of modern day conservation.

I think what you're getting out there with this idea of argument and banter back and forth,

it's what makes our democracy so appealing.

Yes.

Like that, we have these comment periods, for example, and we all get to weigh in on these public lands that are collectively

owned and shared by all of us. I think the most important thing to remember today is that

really good policy takes time. Hey, everybody, it's Hal Herring, Back Country Hunters and Anglers

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