The Five Stages of Defiance with Dr. Sunita Sah
How to Survive the End of the World
How to Survive the End of the World
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 18 April 2025
⏱️ 76 minutes
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The sisters are thrilled to learn from Dr. Sunita Sah and discuss her brilliant book Defy: The Power of No in a World that Demands Yes. The conversation explores the complex relationship between compliance and defiance and emphasizes the importance of understanding our values and the social pressures that influence our behavior. Dr. Sah also teaches us about the Defiance Compass, which can help us navigate our values and actions.
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| 0:00.0 | Who we think we are is very different from how we actually behave. |
| 0:07.3 | And what somebody believes their values to be is different from their actions. |
| 0:14.1 | And so how do we decrease that gap between these are my values and this is how I act? |
| 0:34.0 | No. these are my values and this is how I act. I'm Autumn Brown, front woman of the soul pop band, Autumn, a queer science fiction writer, |
| 0:41.0 | a theologian, a mother of dragons, and a healing justice facilitator for social movements |
| 0:46.8 | living on Dakota and in a Shinabe land currently known as Minneapolis. |
| 0:52.1 | And I'm Adrienne Marie Brown, a luscious black queer witch writer auntie, an apocalyptic |
| 0:58.2 | cosmic optimist, and a gardener of healing ideas. |
| 1:02.3 | I live in the land of the Shikori, Skorouwera, Tuscarora, and Lumbie peoples currently known as |
| 1:09.0 | Durham, North Carolina. |
| 1:10.9 | And this is how to survive the end of the world. |
| 1:15.0 | Our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity. |
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| 1:32.9 | culture and deeper dives into this, everything we're talking about on this podcast. |
| 1:37.4 | Literally everything. |
| 1:38.7 | Everything. |
| 1:39.8 | Today, we are so excited to introduce a really, really cool guest, Dr. Sunita Sa. |
| 1:50.0 | We're going to be in conversation with Dr. Saw about her brand new book, Defy, which could not be more on time at this time. |
| 1:59.1 | So I'm going to do a quick read of Dr. Saw's bio, and then we're going to get |
| 2:03.6 | into our check-ins, and you all get to learn so much more about her. So Dr. Sunita Saa investigates |
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