Welcome to the Marish Day podcast. I'm Jimmy Evans. This is my wife Karen. We're so glad that you're joining us.

We're doing a series of programs on fake and about literally on the life of Abraham.

And in this program, I'm talking about some of the fallacies of faith. You're really going to like this program because we're talking about the issue of grace, the way that we see God and the importance of seeing him through the lens of grace.

Before we go to the teaching, we're going to answer a couple of questions. If you have questions that you would like to submit to us here.

You can go on marriage today podcast.com, submit your questions. We would love to answer them right here on the podcast. Karen, you have a question first.

No, you do.

Well, I have. That's right. My husband grew up in the church and has experienced a lot of hurt during the times he was actively serving.

It's now hard to get him interested in going and he isn't interested in being a part of any kind of small group.

I feel lonely and wants to be a part of a church community together. What do I do?

Yeah, that's a good question. I think we can all say that at some point we've been hurt in church.

So I would say with her this situation is not unusual. It's just that I'm concerned about him being able to forgive what's happened to him and to get healing for his own personal hurts.

So I would just say find someone, a counselor that can talk to both of you and do more of what's in him, not that it's about church, but what's not healed and what he needs to forgive.

It may be one of those things where he needs to do the 21-day interhealing. We have that app on our website and just a face of the fact that that's crippling.

When you have that kind of hurt from a community of what we call our family, because it's their family no matter what. If he's a Christian, that's their family.

And just like we would expect him to get marriage counseling, if he split from the body of Christ, he needs to get help. He needs to get family counseling for bringing him back into the church.

Yeah, absolutely. The forgiveness is the main issue here. You have to, we've all been hurt in relationships, but we need each other. When you say you're lonely, that's exactly right.

You would be lonely because you're isolated now. But anytime you've had a bad experience, when I was learning to fly and I'm a pilot, when I was learning to fly, I had a horrible landing one day in Sherman, Texas, basically crash and a control crash.

And I pulled the plane and I was by myself and I pulled the plane over under the tower and I sit there and I thought to myself, if I don't take back off, I'll never fly again.

And I had to sit there and go through the sequence of what just happened and to get the courage to take back off. And I think, what went wrong?

And counseling can definitely help what went wrong, what caused this crash, this situation, and get help for it. Maybe you did something to make it happen.

You could have been contributing to it, but the fear of being in church is a bad fear to have because you need to be in church. We need each other.

Before we got married, we talked about having kids about two years into marriage. We now are at that point and my husband is ready to start having children.

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