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It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is the five.

Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom throwing down in the epic red versus blue state debate on

Hannity. The two high profile governors talking trash for months and finally getting the

chance to hammer each other's record face to face. They tax too much, they

regulate too much, they have a political agenda, it's not a good climate for business,

they've lost a lot of companies. California dominates, size up of 21 state populations combined, it's the fifth largest economy in the world.

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