Hello everyone I'm Dana Perino along with Judge Janine Piero,

Hale for Junior Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is the five.

Well, the debate over the debates, somehow it is back.

The Trump and Harris campaigns are clashing over their September 10th

showdown on ABC including whether the microphones will be muted so team

Kamala wants them hot hoping they can catch Trump losing his cool on the microphone.

But team Trump wants to keep them muted as it was during the debate with Biden.

It is quite the reversal for the Vice President.

Kamla Harris is attacking Trump for wanting to stick to the rules after her campaign

bashed him as a coward for wanting those same rules to change back when Trump

floated a new debate schedule after Biden dropped out. But earlier the former

president seemed to be like that's's cool, I'm fine.

Watch this.

All of us said they want to make a change in the rules because she can't answer questions.

We agreed to the same rules. I don't know. It doesn't matter to me. I'd rather have it probably on, but the agreement was that it would be the same as it was last time. In that case, it was muted. I didn't like it the last time but it worked out fine. I'm not

spending a lot of time on it. I think my whole life I've been preparing for

a debate. Team Kamla responding on X with this, saying,

with this resolved, everything is now set for September 10th.

But it is not just the mics.

Trump is also accusing the debate host,

ABC News, of political bias after this interview between Republican Senator Tom Cotton

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