Welcome to Words Matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart.

Welcome to Words Matter, I'm Katie Barlow.

Our goal is to promote objective reality.

As a wise man once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not their own facts.

To have power and words have consequences.

Our guest today is the Robert M. Gates Senior Fellow and General Council at the Center for

a New American Security.

Kerry Cordero is also an adjunct professor of law at Georgetown University Law Center,

Gohoias, a CNN legal analyst and a contributing editor of law fair.

Kerry has served in numerous senior positions at the Department of Justice and the Office

of the Director of National Intelligence, including as counsel to the Assistant Attorney

General for National Security, Senior Associate General Counsel at the Office of the Director

of National Intelligence and Attorney Advisor at the U.S. Department of Justice, where she

handled critical counterterrorism and counterintelligence investigations.

Kerry Cordero, welcome back to Words Matter.

Thanks so much, Katie.

Kerry, we're very lucky to have you today and our listeners are very lucky given your

background and the complexity of the issues that have surfaced now in the last roughly

two weeks.

I want to start by establishing a couple of things.

There's a lot of noise out there.

I think a lot of people are already talking about the deep state and someone working within

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