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This is Andrew Weissman. I'm here with Mary McCord.

Good to be back again. The plot continues.

So what thing, Mary, that I thought it would be useful to discuss is is really

trying to make sure that people understand what's about to happen now in terms of

the Manhattan case. There will be an arrangement by all accounts next week absent

the former president's deciding not to self surrender and having to be

extradited, although note to self when I was thinking about if he doesn't

agree to self surrender, he's supposed to be in New York next month for

of all things a civil case where he is accused of rape. And that is supposed to

happen at the end of April. And so he needs to appear for that.

So he can be arrested then if he doesn't self surrender. And if he doesn't

appear for that, a default can be entered against him in a case where

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