The First-Gen Disadvantage (Ep. 427)
Thinking LSAT
Nathan Fox and Ben Olson
4.8 • 868 Ratings
🗓️ 6 November 2023
⏱️ 64 minutes
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Summary
Law school isn’t a level playing field. First-generation college students face significant disadvantages in law school, as reported by the Law School Survey of Student Engagement. Nathan and Ben discuss the major challenges that await first-gen students—underscoring the importance of not paying for law school. Later, the guys explain their approach to questions that they can’t immediately solve. They urge a geographically limited applicant to expand their list of schools. And they deliberate on a listener’s choice between the LSAT and the GRE.
2:28 - LR in the Real World - The guys use their Logical Reasoning expertise to criticize a sentimental bumper sticker. Ben reveals why he isn’t a big fan of poetry.
6:58 - First-Gen Students - The Law School Survey of Student Engagement sheds light on the challenges faced by first-generation college students attending law school.
19:46 - Timing - Nathan and Ben instruct an LSAT Demon student to ignore the clock and to answer questions at their own pace. The guys also advise against flagging questions to review later. And they explain when to move on from a question that you haven’t fully solved.
36:42 - Apply Broadly - Ben and Nathan encourage listener Nikki to apply broadly despite her limited geographical flexibility. Nikki can’t make a well-informed decision about law school without gauging her value in the marketplace.
42:26 - Applying with a Criminal Record - People with felony convictions aren’t immediately disqualified from practicing law in most states, but they face an uphill battle and increased scrutiny. The guys refer an anonymous listener to Yale’s page on applying with a criminal record.
47:27 - GRE vs. LSAT - Should listener Sarthak skip the LSAT and apply to law school with his strong GRE scores? Nathan and Ben give Sarthak their blessing—as long as he's ready to turn down bad offers.
57:04 - Gap Semester - The guys see no need for listener Minnie to explain why she took a gap semester in college.
58:23 - Touring Law Schools - Ben and Nathan consider a possible downside to campus visits. Law schools could charge higher prices to applicants who demonstrate a high level of interest in their schools.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to episode 427 of thinking Alsat podcast I'm Nathan Fox. With me is Ben Olson. |
| 0:14.0 | We're the co-founder of El-Sat Demon.com and the El-Sat Demon Daily podcast. |
| 0:19.0 | You can be El-Sat Famous, just hit us up on our website, Elsat.com or send us a voice recording of your question to help at thinking |
| 0:28.0 | Elsat.com. If you can just record in a quiet place, keep it under 30 seconds, You can skip the line and ask us questions. |
| 0:35.2 | Monday, November 13th at 10 a.m. Pacific 1 p.m. Eastern. That is Ben's class, but I'm |
| 0:40.9 | going to crash to do some team teaching and we are going to do some |
| 0:46.1 | extra logical reasoning on that day in honor of the L-SAT starting in October changing pretty dramatically getting rid of the L-SAT starting in October changing pretty dramatically, |
| 0:54.4 | getting rid of the logic games and adding an additional section of logical reasoning. |
| 0:59.5 | It's going to become a very heavily logical reasoning test starting next August. |
| 1:05.0 | Yeah, why did you say starting in October? |
| 1:09.0 | Oh, did I misspeak? |
| 1:10.0 | My bad. |
| 1:11.0 | I'm starting in August is the new L-SAT with twice as much L-R fun so all of our |
| 1:19.1 | classes at El-SAT demon are going to be moving in that direction. |
| 1:23.0 | Of course, not yet. |
| 1:24.0 | We're hoping that this one last batch of students |
| 1:28.7 | brushes the El-Sat logic games. |
| 1:31.1 | Yeah. |
| 1:31.7 | So we're doing that, but we're also going to be adding some bonus logical reasoning content. |
| 1:37.0 | Everybody can get good at LR. |
| 1:39.0 | So anyway, that's Wednesday, November 13th, for all paid subscribers, |
| 1:44.4 | basic premium and live. |
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