So in the like, affective owning the stage,

being the showman category,

Vivek Ramaswami was the standout star, I thought.

He took up so much more space than his numbers

in the polling would necessarily suggest.

He was really dynamic every time he was answering a question.

He had a kind of ownership of the pace of the debate.

He was the most willing to interrupt the moderators

and kind of like break the form and violate the rules.

I did kind of think he would get my like Trump 2016 award

for being the person I was,

couldn't take my eyes off during the debate.

In particular, you know, one of the qualities he brought

to it was like he would jump out right in front and say,

I'm definitely going to pardon Donald Trump, right?

If I'm elected, I'm pardoning Trump.

And I mean, it'll be really interesting

if he and Trump are on the same debate stage at some point.

Right.

What's his role when Trump's actually on stage?

Is it kind of sympathetic to be Trump's mini me?

You know, Vivek already has a problem,

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